The pots on the roof that need watering twice a day

What grows here?

Not full sun or shade. How much usable light actually arrives across a day, when it arrives, and whether the spot ever dries.

What this spot actually is

Bundled plant catalogue

About 36.8 moles of usable light a day with about 14 hours of direct sun in high summer. That is full sun, whatever the label on the plant says.

Of the groups in the reference set, fruiting vegetable is the one that actually belongs in conditions like these.

Growing-season light

36.8

mol/m²/day

April to September, averaged

Midsummer direct sun

14

hours

On 15 July, traced against the plan

Freeze-thaw

0

cycles a year

What cracks pots, not what kills plants

Light through the year

MonthLightDirect sunDries inReads as
Jan20.210.5 hnot that daypart sun
Feb2611 h8.8 hpart sun
Mar32.612 h7.3 hfull sun
Apr38.912.5 h7 hfull sun
May40.913.5 h6.9 hfull sun
Jun38.914 h7 hfull sun
Jul36.314 h7.3 hfull sun
Aug34.813.5 h7 hfull sun
Sep3212.5 h7.3 hfull sun
Oct28.811 h7.5 hfull sun
Nov22.311 hnot that daypart sun
Dec18.610.5 hnot that daypart sun

Screening

Evergreen climber on a support

belongs here

Screening in the depth of a wall rather than the width of a hedge.

  • Light: About 36.8 moles a day against an ideal of 22. There is no stated ceiling for this group, but that is a lot more light than it is built for.
  • Moisture: Moisture here sits inside what this group will accept.
  • Reflected heat: Surface heat here is not the limiting factor.

Watch for: The support carries the load, and most trellis sold for this is not fixed well enough to hold a wet mature climber.

Examples, not recommendations: Trachelospermum; Evergreen clematis in mild areas; Ivy where it is not a nuisance. What is right here is a question for a nursery that can see the site.

Contained clumping bamboo

belongs here

Fast, tall, evergreen screening, and the one plant most likely to become somebody else's problem.

  • Light: About 36.8 moles a day, against an ideal of 26. This is the right light band.
  • Moisture: Moisture here sits inside what this group will accept.
  • Reflected heat: Surface heat here is not the limiting factor.

Watch for: Only clumping species, and only with a root barrier. Running bamboo in a small garden is a decade-long regret.

Examples, not recommendations: Clumping Fargesia. What is right here is a question for a nursery that can see the site.

Narrow upright evergreen screen

wrong place

The classic answer to a sightline when there is no room for a hedge.

  • Hardiness: Zone 9.1 is outside this group's usual range of 5 to 9. Hardiness is a floor, not a plan.
  • Light: About 36.8 moles a day against an ideal of 22. There is no stated ceiling for this group, but that is a lot more light than it is built for.
  • Moisture: Moisture here sits inside what this group will accept.
This group does not do well in a container at any size worth lifting.

Watch for: Narrow forms lose their shape if the top is ever cut. Buy the mature height you want.

Examples, not recommendations: Columnar hornbeam; Italian cypress in mild dry climates; Upright yew in cool climates. What is right here is a question for a nursery that can see the site.

Broad evergreen hedge

wrong place

Dense all year, and it wants more width than people allow for.

  • Light: About 36.8 moles a day against an ideal of 24. There is no stated ceiling for this group, but that is a lot more light than it is built for.
  • Moisture: Moisture here sits inside what this group will accept.
  • Reflected heat: Surface heat here is not the limiting factor.
This group does not do well in a container at any size worth lifting.

Watch for: A hedge kept below its natural width thins at the base, which is exactly where a seated sightline runs.

Examples, not recommendations: Yew; Portuguese laurel; Holly. What is right here is a question for a nursery that can see the site.

Shade

Deciduous climber for seasonal shade

belongs here

Shade over a pergola in July and bare timber in January, which is usually exactly right.

  • Light: About 36.8 moles a day, against an ideal of 30. This is the right light band.
  • Moisture: Moisture here sits inside what this group will accept.
  • Reflected heat: Surface heat here is not the limiting factor.

Watch for: Wisteria in particular puts real load on a structure. Build for it before planting it.

Examples, not recommendations: Grape vine; Wisteria, given the structure for it; Virginia creeper. What is right here is a question for a nursery that can see the site.

Medium deciduous shade tree

wrong place

Summer shade that gives the winter sun back. The best shade device there is, and the slowest.

  • Hardiness: Zone 9.1 is outside this group's usual range of 4 to 9. Hardiness is a floor, not a plan.
  • Light: About 36.8 moles a day, against an ideal of 30. This is the right light band.
  • Moisture: Moisture here sits inside what this group will accept.
This group does not do well in a container at any size worth lifting.

Watch for: Mature spread is the number that matters, and it is almost always larger than the space allowed.

Examples, not recommendations: Field maple; Serviceberry; Hop hornbeam. What is right here is a question for a nursery that can see the site.

Structure

Mediterranean sub-shrub

belongs here

Built for hard sun, sharp drainage and being ignored.

  • Moisture: Moisture here sits inside what this group will accept.
  • Light: About 36.8 moles a day, against an ideal of 34. This is the right light band.
  • Reflected heat: Surface heat here is not the limiting factor.

Watch for: Wet feet in winter kills these more reliably than cold does. Drainage, not hardiness, is the question.

Examples, not recommendations: Lavender; Rosemary; Cistus. What is right here is a question for a nursery that can see the site.

Citrus in a container

belongs here

Wants a hot wall in summer and somewhere frost-free in winter, which makes it a decision about storage as much as position.

  • Light: About 36.8 moles a day, against an ideal of 32. This is the right light band.
  • Moisture: Moisture here sits inside what this group will accept.
  • Reflected heat: Surface heat here is not the limiting factor.

Watch for: It is the winter that costs. Somewhere bright, frost-free and unheated is a harder brief than the summer position.

Examples, not recommendations: Lemon; Calamondin; Kumquat. What is right here is a question for a nursery that can see the site.

Evergreen structural shrub

belongs here

The thing that stops a bed looking empty in February.

  • Light: About 36.8 moles a day against an ideal of 20. There is no stated ceiling for this group, but that is a lot more light than it is built for.
  • Moisture: Moisture here sits inside what this group will accept.
  • Reflected heat: Surface heat here is not the limiting factor.

Watch for: Clipped evergreens in containers dry out from the root ball in, and the damage shows a season late.

Examples, not recommendations: Box alternatives such as Japanese holly; Pittosporum; Osmanthus. What is right here is a question for a nursery that can see the site.

Evergreen climber on a support

belongs here

Screening in the depth of a wall rather than the width of a hedge.

  • Light: About 36.8 moles a day against an ideal of 22. There is no stated ceiling for this group, but that is a lot more light than it is built for.
  • Moisture: Moisture here sits inside what this group will accept.
  • Reflected heat: Surface heat here is not the limiting factor.

Watch for: The support carries the load, and most trellis sold for this is not fixed well enough to hold a wet mature climber.

Examples, not recommendations: Trachelospermum; Evergreen clematis in mild areas; Ivy where it is not a nuisance. What is right here is a question for a nursery that can see the site.

Ground cover

Sedum and extensive green-roof matting

belongs here

The only group that will take a shallow, baking, exposed substrate and stay alive without watering.

  • Moisture: Moisture here sits inside what this group will accept.
  • Light: About 36.8 moles a day, against an ideal of 38. This is the right light band.
  • Reflected heat: Surface heat here is not the limiting factor.

Watch for: It fails in shade, not in drought. Under an overhang or a parapet shadow it thins out and the substrate takes over.

Examples, not recommendations: Sedum album; Sedum spurium; Sempervivum in the gaps. What is right here is a question for a nursery that can see the site.

Succulent and sedum group

belongs here

For roofs, gravel and anywhere the answer to drainage is 'very'.

  • Moisture: This spot sits wetter than this group tolerates. Wet feet kill far more plants than cold does.
  • Light: About 36.8 moles a day, against an ideal of 36. This is the right light band.
  • Reflected heat: Surface heat here is not the limiting factor.

Watch for: Winter wet is the killer, not winter cold. In a wet climate these need overhead cover as much as drainage.

Examples, not recommendations: Sedum; Sempervivum; Delosperma. What is right here is a question for a nursery that can see the site.

Alpine and scree plants

will work

Built for thin, sharp-draining ground in hard light. Wet feet kill these long before cold does.

  • Hardiness: Zone 9.1 is outside this group's usual range of 3 to 8. Hardiness is a floor, not a plan.
  • Moisture: This spot sits wetter than this group tolerates. Wet feet kill far more plants than cold does.
  • Light: About 36.8 moles a day, against an ideal of 34. This is the right light band.

Watch for: Almost nothing here is about temperature. Winter wet at the crown is what finishes them, so drainage beats hardiness every time.

Examples, not recommendations: Saxifrage; Sempervivum; Dianthus in gritty soil. What is right here is a question for a nursery that can see the site.

Part-shade perennial

marginal

The workhorse of a north-facing bed that gets a couple of hours of sun.

  • Light: About 36.8 moles a day is well past the 28 this group tolerates. Expect scorch and bolting rather than slow decline.
  • Hardiness: Zone 9.1 is outside this group's usual range of 4 to 9. Hardiness is a floor, not a plan.
  • Moisture: Moisture here sits inside what this group will accept.

Watch for: These fail from dryness under a wall or a tree far more often than they fail from shade.

Examples, not recommendations: Hellebore; Geranium; Hosta where slugs allow. What is right here is a question for a nursery that can see the site.

Something to eat

Fruiting vegetable

belongs here

The most light-hungry thing most people try to grow, and the one most often put in the wrong place.

  • Light: About 36.8 moles a day, against an ideal of 38. This is the right light band.
  • Moisture: Moisture here sits inside what this group will accept.
  • Reflected heat: Surface heat here is not the limiting factor.

Watch for: Leaves grow at fifteen moles a day; fruit needs more than twenty. That gap is why people get plants and no crop.

Examples, not recommendations: Tomato; Pepper; Courgette. What is right here is a question for a nursery that can see the site.

High-heat container herb

belongs here

Wants a hot wall, a lot of light and someone who waters it.

  • Light: About 36.8 moles a day, against an ideal of 35. This is the right light band.
  • Moisture: Moisture here sits inside what this group will accept.
  • Reflected heat: Surface heat here is not the limiting factor.

Watch for: A container against a sunlit wall can run twenty degrees above air temperature. That is a watering problem, not a light problem.

Examples, not recommendations: Basil; Thyme in a deep pot; Oregano. What is right here is a question for a nursery that can see the site.

Mediterranean sub-shrub

belongs here

Built for hard sun, sharp drainage and being ignored.

  • Moisture: Moisture here sits inside what this group will accept.
  • Light: About 36.8 moles a day, against an ideal of 34. This is the right light band.
  • Reflected heat: Surface heat here is not the limiting factor.

Watch for: Wet feet in winter kills these more reliably than cold does. Drainage, not hardiness, is the question.

Examples, not recommendations: Lavender; Rosemary; Cistus. What is right here is a question for a nursery that can see the site.

Citrus in a container

belongs here

Wants a hot wall in summer and somewhere frost-free in winter, which makes it a decision about storage as much as position.

  • Light: About 36.8 moles a day, against an ideal of 32. This is the right light band.
  • Moisture: Moisture here sits inside what this group will accept.
  • Reflected heat: Surface heat here is not the limiting factor.

Watch for: It is the winter that costs. Somewhere bright, frost-free and unheated is a harder brief than the summer position.

Examples, not recommendations: Lemon; Calamondin; Kumquat. What is right here is a question for a nursery that can see the site.

In a container

Fruiting vegetable

belongs here

The most light-hungry thing most people try to grow, and the one most often put in the wrong place.

  • Light: About 36.8 moles a day, against an ideal of 38. This is the right light band.
  • Moisture: Moisture here sits inside what this group will accept.
  • Reflected heat: Surface heat here is not the limiting factor.

Watch for: Leaves grow at fifteen moles a day; fruit needs more than twenty. That gap is why people get plants and no crop.

Examples, not recommendations: Tomato; Pepper; Courgette. What is right here is a question for a nursery that can see the site.

High-heat container herb

belongs here

Wants a hot wall, a lot of light and someone who waters it.

  • Light: About 36.8 moles a day, against an ideal of 35. This is the right light band.
  • Moisture: Moisture here sits inside what this group will accept.
  • Reflected heat: Surface heat here is not the limiting factor.

Watch for: A container against a sunlit wall can run twenty degrees above air temperature. That is a watering problem, not a light problem.

Examples, not recommendations: Basil; Thyme in a deep pot; Oregano. What is right here is a question for a nursery that can see the site.

Succulent and sedum group

belongs here

For roofs, gravel and anywhere the answer to drainage is 'very'.

  • Moisture: This spot sits wetter than this group tolerates. Wet feet kill far more plants than cold does.
  • Light: About 36.8 moles a day, against an ideal of 36. This is the right light band.
  • Reflected heat: Surface heat here is not the limiting factor.

Watch for: Winter wet is the killer, not winter cold. In a wet climate these need overhead cover as much as drainage.

Examples, not recommendations: Sedum; Sempervivum; Delosperma. What is right here is a question for a nursery that can see the site.

Mediterranean sub-shrub

belongs here

Built for hard sun, sharp drainage and being ignored.

  • Moisture: Moisture here sits inside what this group will accept.
  • Light: About 36.8 moles a day, against an ideal of 34. This is the right light band.
  • Reflected heat: Surface heat here is not the limiting factor.

Watch for: Wet feet in winter kills these more reliably than cold does. Drainage, not hardiness, is the question.

Examples, not recommendations: Lavender; Rosemary; Cistus. What is right here is a question for a nursery that can see the site.

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